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Exercise 4 on EC_Poisson Distribution

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(@sbaldi)
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Hi I have some issue to understand the solution you proposed for the exercise in the topic name.

You use the exponential distribution to solve it with the following parameters x=1 mean=1/3 and cumulative = TRUE.

I though that this probability tell us that in the first minute we'll have x probability that an event occurs.

Apparently you use this value for the probability that 2 events occur within the first minute and I don't understand why.

I hope you can help me with that.

Thank you

 

Stefano 

 
Posted : 07/08/2020 3:32 am
(@harold)
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Hi Stefano,

Good question - this is a bit tricky & might take a minute to think about:

The probability of 2 arrivals within a minute basically means the probability of an arrival time of less than 1 minute (i.e. if a call arrives in less than a minute after this previous call, then the condition of 2 arrivals within a minute is satisfied).

The worksheet 'Neg. Exponential Distribution' shows the formula for calculating the cumulative probability of a service time up to a particular value.

   The formula is    =EXPONDIST(ServiceTime,1/MeanServiceTime,TRUE)

In this case, the first parameter is 1 (the particular value of ServiceTime being tested) and the second parameter is 1/MeanServiceTime, so with the MeanServiceTime of 3 minutes, that's why it is 1/3.

  The formula EXPONDIST(1,1/3,TRUE) equates to 28.3%.

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Cheers
Harold

 
Posted : 07/08/2020 10:54 pm
(@sbaldi)
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Hi Harold,

 

First of all thanks for your reply.

I'm sorry but I don't really get it this part: 

"The probability of 2 arrivals within a minute basically means the probability of an arrival time of less than 1 minute (i.e. if a call arrives in less than a minute after this previous call, then the condition of 2 arrivals within a minute is satisfied)."

Indeed if a call arrives after 30 seconds and the second one arrives after 40 seconds I would have both of the calls arriving in less than a minute but the condition that the two calls together should arrive in less than a minute shouldn't be satisfy isn't it?. 

Furthermore I don't understand why a Lambda of 0.33333 per minute for you means that you'll have an occurrence in less than a minute.

Hope you can help me.

Thanks 

 

Stefano 

 
Posted : 08/08/2020 2:33 am
(@harold)
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MOTH-2020-08-08_10-28-31-1.jpgHi Stefano,

Thanks for following up on this.  I've prepared a visual simulation example that I hope will clarify and close out the subject . . .

It's in the attached workbook EC_Poisson Distribution_HG_CHECK.

Tab Inter-arrival CHECK contains a simulation of 1500 pairs of calls.  [There is nothing magic about 1500, I just chose it as a reasonable sized sample.]

The arrival times are determined by the arrival formula at the left of the tab. The times of arrival are in cols L and M.  Then we check (in col N) whether they arrive within a minute of each other.  There is a "Y" in col N when they arrive within a minute of each other.

Then if you count the number of "Y"s out of 1500, you get the result.  Every time you refresh the sample [press F9 to refresh], you will of course get a slightly different result based on the random numbers used to generate the arrival times.

Anyway, the results tend to cluster around 28.3%, so I'm confident that the analytical approach discussed previously is OK.

If you are interested, there are some worked examples [not mine] you can look at:

  https://courses.lumenlearning.com/introstats1/chapter/the-exponential-distribution/

Cheers
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Posted : 08/08/2020 8:50 pm
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